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The Rolling Harrier

Discussion in 'How To- 3D Flying and Aerobatics Flying' started by gyro, Dec 5, 2012.

  1. gyro

    gyro GSN Contributor

    Description of the maneuver
    The Rolling Harrier is a stalled 3D maneuver where the aircraft is tracing a horizontal flight path, while continuously rolling, with the axis of the fuselage angled up at 30-60 degrees, usually 45 degrees. The pilot inputs up elevator, rudder, down elevator, rudder, and up elevator again repeatedly as the aircraft rolls to maintain attitude and to steer the path of the aircraft. Throttle setting is medium to low, requiring less thrust than a hover or torque roll but more than a standard harrier. The maneuver first gained widespread recognition at the 1999 TOC, where it was performed by Sebastiano Silvestri.

    Level of difficulty
    This is the most advanced standard stalled 3D maneuver. A pilot should be proficient with the harrier, inverted harrier, knife-edge, and hover before attempting this maneuver.

    Performing the Maneuver
    Start by practicing continuous slow or medium speed rolls with rudder and elevator correction. Use low rates to practice this. As the plane rolls to knife edge, feed in rudder in the opposite direction as you are rolling. Feed in some down elevator as it goes inverted. Feed in rudder in the same direction as you are rolling as it passes through the second knife-edge position, then as it comes around through upright feed in some up elevator.

    When you are comfortable with these stick movements, you can attempt to do them stalled and do a real rolling harrier.

    Image courtesy of Arron Bates

    Slow the aircraft to a low airspeed, about the same as required for a standard landing. Pull the nose up to about 45 degrees then command full aileron. As the aircraft starts to roll, feed in top rudder, then down elevator, then top rudder, then up elevator again as it comes around to upright. You should be starting to take out the elevator input as you are starting to give the rudder input, so that as the aircraft passes through 45 degrees, you have approximately as much elevator input as rudder input. The amount of input required will depend on the aircraft. Some with large control surfaces and lots of side area require about 1/4 of the stick movement, others will need full stick movements to keep the prop attitude. However, full aileron should always be commanded through this maneuver. Adjust the throttle to keep the aircraft at the proper sink or climb rate...increasing throttle will bring the nose up and cause a climb, decreasing throttle will cause the nose to come down and the aircraft to sink.

    The aircraft should be set up on high rates for rudder and elevator (typically 45 degrees). The exponential settings should be set so that the pilot feels comfortable with flying and recovering the aircraft but can still attain full throw. Ailerons should be set to at least 25 degrees. Higher aileron throw/roll rates will make the aircraft more stable during the maneuver, but will make it more difficult to keep up with the constant rudder and elevator corrections.

    Entering from a harrier
    Let off the elevator a little bit, then command full aileron and start the maneuver. Because all aircraft will harrier at a slower airspeed than they will do a rolling harrier, be prepared for the first few rotations to be slow. If the aileron rates are low, the aircraft may be reluctant to enter the maneuver from a harrier.

    Entering from knife edge
    Simply start the maneuver from a slow, high-alpha knife edge, commanding full aileron and inputting elevator while letting off of the rudder. Because all aircraft will knife-edge at a higher airspeed than harrier or rolling harrier, be prepared for the first few rotations to be much faster than normal. Only attempt this when you are very proficient with both maneuvers.

    Change the timing of the inputs. Giving the inputs earlier will cause the aircraft to turn in the opposite direction of the roll, while giving them later will cause the aircraft to turn in the same direction as the roll.

    Release ailerons and add power when you are comfortable with your attitude. The plane should almost immediately come out of the stall. Adding plenty of power will get you out quicker.

    Common mistakes
    Rolling too slowly will make the plane wobble and not track properly through the maneuver. A proper roll rate must be maintained or the aircraft will become unstable.

    Not using the rudder and simply correcting with the elevator makes the maneuver much easier but significantly reduces the pilots control over the aircraft and is a bad habit to get into. With some aircraft this will result in an acceptable looking maneuver, with others it will look sloppy.

    Practice, practice, practice. There are no secrets to this maneuver!

    Here are a couple of video tutorials by BoneDoc:

    And one by Nathan LeBaron
    Last edited by a moderator: May 17, 2016
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  2. dth7

    dth7 3DRCF Regional Ambassador

    Would love to see someone fill this one in to include rolling loops and specifically controlling the flight path in the roller. Thanks guys
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  3. gyro

    gyro GSN Contributor

    Incredible contribution Cody, thank you!
  4. yes thank you very much, i have seen the chart before but have no clue what they are trying to show, i would very much like to know.

    sorry in advance for being a noob.
  5. dth7

    dth7 3DRCF Regional Ambassador

    Thanks "coach". Really appreciate the quick post Cody. Never did get out today to test the Mitt! Started the EF Extra:eek:
    Look forward to working this maneuver out. Getting there but still needs loads of practice.

  6. 3dNater

    3dNater 3DRCF Regional Ambassador

    Rolling Harrier tutorial video

    Hey guys, I just thought I'd point out that I just added a tutorial video to the tips section.
  7. Nice video, I started on these at the end of last year. The video will help out! Nice work
  8. sweet video. im getting better but still far away from where i wanna be with them. problem ive noticed lately is when i turn my nose is starting to drop and ill lose some altitude. if i could be consistent with the throttle pump i think that would help. just need more practice, my goal is to be decent/good with them by summer.

    didnt know you did these videos. good job on them. will check the rest of them out after i fly this evening.
  9. SnowDog

    SnowDog Moderator

    Great video Nate, thanks!
  10. 3dNater

    3dNater 3DRCF Regional Ambassador

    Thanks guys. I never really made any videos in the past and I am not super qualified. Basically I can give my noobular point of view on things and hope it helps someone to learn ;)

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