GSN IMAC Lite Format...Ideas??

[Krzy4RC]

I think we would stick with knowns. The unknowns are an animal in themselves.

I think 3 rounds of knowns would be fun.

 

[Pistolera]

Yes that's true.....and can be very intimidating to many. If this is a "stepping stone" event I would agree with sticking to the knowns.

 

[Pistolera]

Also....and I don't want to come across as a smartazz, but anyone wishing to help get something like this going really should sign up and try out at least one IMAC contest.

I think that would be invaluable experience for them, and provide a foundation for developing an IMAC Lite program.

 

[dhal22]

I like the IMAC 'lite' idea. Not for me currently but after my kids are gone I will have more time in general but would enjoy trying this idea.

 

[Bartman]

I think we would stick with knowns. The unknowns are an animal in themselves.

I think 3 rounds of knowns would be fun.

exactly! fun!

I like the IMAC 'lite' idea. Not for me currently but after my kids are gone I will have more time in general but would enjoy trying this idea.

it's precisely for when the kids are here, you show up and fly, maybe practice, maybe not. who cares! it's for fun and maybe bragging right until everyone forgets about how lucky you got.

 

[Bartman]

@Pistolera

regarding judging, what i remember from working towards becomeing a judge for IAC and doing my qualifying work as an assistant, the criteria for judging was a lot to handle. even the "experienced" judges stumbled through flights and didn't exactly tally every deduction accurately as they went. it looked a lot to me like some fudging was going on at the time.

so, if this is supposed to be fun, then we pare down the judging criteria and leave a lot of freedom for the judges to worry less and make their scores from flight to flight more consistent. this isn't IMAC, it's supposed to be fun, slightly competitive, and a lead in to people that might want to formalize things and try IMAC if/when they have time. until then, it's for overworked people like me with wives that carry whips around the house so we can have even a small challenge to keep our spirits up!!

so think simple, not IMAC although IMAC can be the basis for a lot of what we're trying to do. formalities also make the burden of organizing something more difficult and each little thing that complicates the process makes it less likely to ever happen.

i know it's blasphemy for the most die hard IMAC people but let's just see what reasonable compromise we can come up with.

 

[Rolling.Circle]

IMAC is like a family after a while... that's the way this weekend was. It's great to be back together and catch up on what's been going on with everybody. It's a get together that helps everyone improve. It's not so much about who wins but judging is very important, as Earle said. You want it to be done by educated folks that know about, and care about, applying the rules consistently. It's hard to bit off 3 days 8 times a year but, if you pick your battles, you can have some real good times... barley pops at night singin songs with Capt Jack ain't so bad 'cept he can't sing...

 

[Rolling.Circle]

As for IMAC lite, if it's in the spirit of flying better, friendship and fun... folks will get together and if us "IMAC regulars" can help, we will try

 

[Jlc]

OK....back home after a ONE-DAY contest (due to weather). Of course this was a regularly scheduled 2-day contest (Sat & Sun). When I told Bart many typically use 3 days....I was including Friday as a practice day at the site, which many take advantage of.....although some just drive to the site early on Sat.....and we all leave Sunday afternoon.

However, we did fly a contest in ONE day......two rounds of knowns (2 sequences each round) and one round of unknowns.....all on Saturday. If this would have been advertised ahead of time as a one-day contest, it would have been exactly the same. There were 7 basic, 2 sportsman, 6 intermediate, 2 advanced and 2 unlimiteds flying. Pilot's briefing was at 8 am, but due to low ceilings we didn't get flying until about 9:30. The last of the unknowns were done by about 4:30 - 5pm. Even folks who had 2 hr drives could make that work.

All flights were judged and scored per IMAC rules and criteria. This is how it should be for any event, even a one-day format that is being discussed here. As far as judging, in my opinion you can't just have folks watch some experienced pilot and stick them in a chair to judge flights.....it won't work and will generate a lot of negative opinions. Judging is and always has been a topic of discussion....as in anything where human interpretation of criteria and standards exist.

Sequences should use the current published IMAC knowns and unknowns......they are already available and easy to obtain. No need to re-invent the wheels....and good sequences are not exactly easy to come up with.....especially in the upper classes.

I think published one-day contests could be another stepping stone to get folks to try IMAC that otherwise are unwilling to devote an entire weekend to. If this is the primary goal, then I'm all for it.....but it has to have the standards and rules of a normal IMAC contest to really work.
Another incentive is for IMAC "regulars" (like me)....who already attend many weekend contests, might fit s one-day event into their calendar between normal 2-day contests already scheduled.

Very good post. I think one day contests might increase pilots.

 

[Pistolera]

Bart....my thoughts regarding your last post;

regarding judging, what i remember from working towards becomeing a judge for IAC and doing my qualifying work as an assistant, the criteria for judging was a lot to handle. even the "experienced" judges stumbled through flights and didn't exactly tally every deduction accurately as they went. it looked a lot to me like some fudging was going on at the time.
IAC judging and IMAC judging criteria are applied as fairly as that particular judge's knowledge and experience allow. IAC has a far more involved judging training regiment than IMAC, and yes there are faults.....but "fudging"? Not sure what you mean by that?
so, if this is supposed to be fun, then we pare down the judging criteria and leave a lot of freedom for the judges to worry less and make their scores from flight to flight more consistent. this isn't IMAC, it's supposed to be fun, slightly competitive, and a lead in to people that might want to formalize things and try IMAC if/when they have time. until then, it's for overworked people like me with wives that carry whips around the house so we can have even a small challenge to keep our spirits up!!
So....what WILL the judges be looking for? What would be paired away from the criteria? Ya gotta have something, or it's just "that looks cooler than the other"??????
so think simple, not IMAC although IMAC can be the basis for a lot of what we're trying to do. formalities also make the burden of organizing something more difficult and each little thing that complicates the process makes it less likely to ever happen.
I guess I'm really not sure what "we're" trying to do? Without some kind of formalized organization/schedule/rules/judging standards. it's just a fun fly.
i know it's blasphemy for the most die hard IMAC people but let's just see what reasonable compromise we can come up with.
Go for it......but I'm now at a loss for what you're thinking.