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  1. Aeroplayin

    Extreme Flight Owners Thread

    DM5335 is right for the plane and the 22x10E Mejzlik is a good prop for it. I have two, and one is in the box of props I sent around the country so that a few guys can try them on the DM5335-189 and the Q80-8M. They are in Alaska right now, and scheduled for IN next. If you can wait, they...
  2. Aeroplayin

    Extreme Flight Owners Thread

    No, it was the 85 MXS. I'm still not sure of the wingspan because I read one of the team member use 84 recently in a post from Nall. Maybe a typo and 85 is right. I had a brief PM conversation with Chris a few months ago about powering the new 74's and he mentioned that he would be using the...
  3. Aeroplayin

    Extreme Flight Owners Thread

    DA50 is going to be a good power choice. My buddy Frank has the BME58 Xtreme, which is a little lighter than the DA50, on the 78 gas version. He cut and added a ply motor box support and is spinning a 23x9 CF Falcon. No comparison to anything I've seen yet as far as power on the 78, so a DA50...
  4. Aeroplayin

    Help With Motor Timing and Poor Throttle Response (Gecko 120HV)

    Are these all PJN props?
  5. Aeroplayin

    Help With Motor Timing and Poor Throttle Response (Gecko 120HV)

    I see nothing wrong with your prop choice as long as they are electric props. Heat from a Motrolfly with these props on the report 380 and 360 Kv is a big surprise to me, and I'd check the settings and like Gary said, turn the switching to 8 KHz if it is not there already. If you are swinging...
  6. Aeroplayin

    Help With Motor Timing and Poor Throttle Response (Gecko 120HV)

    Motrolfly getting hot? That's something you don't hear too often. We fly in the Florida summers with Motrolfly and have yet to say that, so here are some questions... First, please confirm that you are using the DM4325 on 6S. What Kv that motor? What prop are you using? What kind of...
  7. Aeroplayin

    Help With Motor Timing and Poor Throttle Response (Gecko 120HV)

    Resistance will add to voltage sag induced by load, so more resistance means more heat, less EMF, and less power-out, or Watts-out. From the source (batteries), bigger gauge wires (more strands), closer together, shorter in distance, with a greater number of capacitors, and at least the same SI...
  8. Aeroplayin

    Help With Motor Timing and Poor Throttle Response (Gecko 120HV)

    In this instance, the AWG is all about more strands, and when you peal back the insulation to solder these things, you will see there is more wire. An AWG rating is about the wire, not the insulation. One of the reasons I went to 6.5 mm bullets was to accommodate the thicker wire on the source...
  9. Aeroplayin

    Help With Motor Timing and Poor Throttle Response (Gecko 120HV)

    Three questions... Do I see another row of capacitors on the HW under the heat shrink? Is there any difference in the AWG on either the load or source side? Is there a difference in wire length on the source side? More capacitors also means a better disbursement of heat. More capacitance...
  10. Aeroplayin

    Help With Motor Timing and Poor Throttle Response (Gecko 120HV)

    It makes a lot of sense, and I never jam my throttle either. I do pulse the throttle, but expecting my 20 to 24 inch props to go from zero to 8000 RPMs instantly on the ground without expecting short term or long term consequences is asking a lot, and most guys don't realize the kind of current...
  11. Aeroplayin

    Help With Motor Timing and Poor Throttle Response (Gecko 120HV)

    A pure cutout could be different. are you saying you're getting no knocking or squelching or cogging? Just a power cutout with no recovery even after you reset the throttle to idle?
  12. Aeroplayin

    Help With Motor Timing and Poor Throttle Response (Gecko 120HV)

    My ESC looked nothing like that so it's obviously been updated. It actually looks more like the HK Superbrain: https://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__10944__Turnigy_Super_Brain_100A_Brushless_ESC.html Here's the KForce...
  13. Aeroplayin

    Help With Motor Timing and Poor Throttle Response (Gecko 120HV)

    It was a while ago and I'm guessing it was very early 2013. The Superbrain 100A HV was tried for the first time in the summer of 2011. I eventually restricted the output to about 65A and put it in the EF Edge 540T EXP on the DM4315-480 with a 16x8 Xoar on 6S. So that was still 1440W on the...
  14. Aeroplayin

    Help With Motor Timing and Poor Throttle Response (Gecko 120HV)

    And if I change my Acceleration timing on the Mezon 95 OPTO from where it is now, which is 0.5 secs, to 1.0 secs, I'd get the same result as what I see in the video... maybe not quite as bad, but close.
  15. Aeroplayin

    Help With Motor Timing and Poor Throttle Response (Gecko 120HV)

    I had the Hobbywing 100A HV and it never flew. I did some static testing with it, had immeditate timing issues, and sold it the next day to a warbird flier at the club. My buddy Frankjp had the same problem with the KForce 100A HV, and if you put them both side by side, the only difference was...
  16. Aeroplayin

    Help With Motor Timing and Poor Throttle Response (Gecko 120HV)

    Yeah, the Edge HV are not an option, but I'm using Ice2 HV80's on one of my Hacker 28 pole A60-7S 12S setups and it runs fine with 3.27 firmware versions. I'm getting them off eBay for about $95 new from guys parting out their heli combos. The top end and acceleration is as good as my $330...
  17. Aeroplayin

    Help With Motor Timing and Poor Throttle Response (Gecko 120HV)

    Watts-in is the volts multiplied times the Amps, and what you see on your meter. Watts-out is the amount of power required to actually do the work... like spinning a 20x8 PJN to 7840 RPMs. The difference is typically the power going to maintain the rest of the energy output.. heat, noise...
  18. Aeroplayin

    Help With Motor Timing and Poor Throttle Response (Gecko 120HV)

    BTW - that 3000 Watts-in really calculates to about 2550 Watts-out, which is about 3.4 HP. Pe Reiver's thrust calculator will say 20.4 pounds of thrust because it uses a function of 6 pounds per HP, but I use a formula that adds a prop spec variable that brings it more in line. So the same HP...
  19. Aeroplayin

    Help With Motor Timing and Poor Throttle Response (Gecko 120HV)

    I don't know enough about how each are programmed, and can only speculate. What makes it worse is that it seems to be a mystery to anyone I ask, regardless of their involvement with ESCs. But, from all the testing we've done, I can't use measured Watts as a measure of power. First of all...
  20. Aeroplayin

    Help With Motor Timing and Poor Throttle Response (Gecko 120HV)

    You may know this already, but for the benefit of others reading this that may not understand what's going on.... The timing on Castle Ice2 ESC’s is automatically determined by the ESC. The setting choices on Castle Link are for a dynamic range for the advance and retard settings according...
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