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GSN GIVE-A-WAY Hangar 9 35% Extra 300X Assembly

Discussion in 'Giant / Scale ARF Build Threads' started by Jetpainter, Nov 9, 2016.

   
  1. Snoopy1

    Snoopy1 150cc

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    Wow this plane is really driving you nuts. You just don't seem to get a decent plane and or parts from HH. You sounds like you are ready to jump on it. If I may suggest pick the best part send the junk back and look at it again this fall. It won't be any better but you may be in a better place about the plane. You need to get a rest from all this aggregation, I wish I could help but unfortunately non of us can.
     
  2. Jetpainter

    Jetpainter 640cc Uber Pimp

    I've looked at the new hatch they sent me quite a bit and I'm have a hard time figuring out how you could make it look this bad. It's laser cut formers with stringers and then balsa sheeting. From the bottom it looks great, but somehow they managed to turn the top into a wavy, dented, gouged up mess. In my old club we had this super arrogant old guy that used to build scale airplanes from plans. Being the arrogant a$$ that he was he thought they were Topgun quality, but in reality they were awful. We used to say he measured with a yard stick, marked it with chalk, cut it with a chainsaw, sanded it with a rasp and painted it with a mop. His bodywork was better than this hatch. The paint is slick and shiny, but that just makes the bodywork look worse.
     
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  3. Jetpainter

    Jetpainter 640cc Uber Pimp

    I actually made some forward progress. I started by going to my shop today and unpacking my original the hatch and rudder that I had ready to go back to Horizon. I brought them home and tried the old hatch with the new cowl. Believe it or not it actually fits! My original hatch is WAY nicer than the one they just sent me, but it had a big gap against the original cowl. I'm happy with the gap now, and my hatch has a lot less dents, waves, and gouges.

    Tonight I started by ironing the covering on the new wings. These are much nicer than my originals. The covering is better, the sheeting is better, and they have a few things the others don't have like gap sealing tape and strings to pull the wiring through. Next I installed the Taildragger aileron harness in the left wing. They sure make nice stuff!

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  4. Jetpainter

    Jetpainter 640cc Uber Pimp

    I worked on the wings more today. I used my Hitec servo programer to setup the center and end points. I may need some help from @stangflyer and @Xpress when I get a little farther and need to match them.

    Hangar 9 did a good job with the horns. I think the geometry will work out pretty good. The stock 4-40 bolts are not very good they're too small. They wiggle around in a 4-40 tapped hole. The ball links are decent, but a true 4-40 bolt won't fit through some of the balls, so I'll need to work on that. I'm going replace all of the stock bolts.

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  5. stangflyer

    stangflyer I like 'em "BIG"!

    For what it is worth, the issues you have had are a definite reminder of the Cessna I purchased a few years back. That is why I "INSISTED" they replace the entire airframe. I don't understand how it is that every piece of these arf's are built on an assembly line "in" jigs. And yet, so many parts of one will not fit any other airframe. I think that is why I appreciate Pilot RC planes so much. It doesn't matter if you take a "Crown Royal" Edge wing from a third run and install it on a first "X" run of an Olympic Scheme. They simply match. Thinking back when I rebuilt the entire front half of the Big Yak, Some of the parts were not "EXACT" location parts. In that for just one example, the rudder servo tray in the middle of the fuse was dropped into the belly of the fuse. Most of the parts were identical, some were slightly different. But....."BUT", everything lined up absolutely perfectly. Where the fuse halves met and joined was also a tad different. But again, perfect alignment. Someone was definitely doing some forward thinking when they revised the cad drawings. Anyway point is, you seriously have had some bad luck with this airframe. And the biggest pit fall is that you are as anal and meticulous as I am. The normal guy would probably just "slap" this thing together and fly it the way it was. From the looks of what is going on, I highly doubt an entire new airframe would be any better than what you have. But getting different "better" parts are certainly proving to work out better for you. If I were going to tackle the rudder issue Doug, I seriously would cut out "ALL" the hinges from the fuse and the new rudder. An old hot soldering iron works slick as snot for this. Then you can align it back up with the exact number of hinges you want and "boom", DONE. As for the hinges.... latest revision Pilot RC flat pin hinges are the way to go. And I'd bet Tony would get you hooked up in a heart beat. That is just the kind of guy he is.
    Your servo set up on your ailerons looks awesome. Hangar 9 really does do a good job with at least this part of the assembly. The steps I make in tuning in Hitec servos: Just like you, set your E.P.A's. on each servo with your programmer first and foremost. With your radio tuned to give 150% travel. If using the same channel for both servos, then you simply tune "down" your "E.P.A's" in your radio I rarely if ever touch my "travel volumn". From this point you can "fine" tune each servo at the turnbuckle to remove any minor servo noise. If using separate channels for each aileron servo, (My ultimate favorite setup) you can adjust each servo individually and with a ton more precision. Same process as before except when you get to the programming in your radio, you can increase or decrease incrementally each setting that you want to change. Trim step is also a very nice feature. My A9X has adjustable "subtrim" step trim programming. Which means I can change the value of the "trim step" for each individual servo. Once the total throw of each aileron servo is set...(Works great for dual elevator servos and push/pull rudder servos as well) you simply go to your trim step and increase or decrease the value so that when you set your end point adjustments, the fine tuning of the trim step takes over and almost never do you have to keep turning turn buckles.
    Hope this helps a little. Hang in there. I know you well enough from what I have seen that you are not going to be doing anything half assed. It will be perfect as possible, as you always do.
    Rob
     
  6. Snoopy1

    Snoopy1 150cc

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    The best thing is you are making progress. The wing set up looks good. Nice to hear about Taildragger never used their stuff but from your comments it looks like I have to look into them. Can let us know what you liked and a picture if you can. Thanks.
     
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  7. Jetpainter

    Jetpainter 640cc Uber Pimp

    They're dual servo wiring harness is what I used. Well made, and they use some really nice wire.
    Here is a picture of one I grabbed off the Internet. Mine have different length wires.
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  8. stangflyer

    stangflyer I like 'em "BIG"!

    Very good stuff. That's all I ever use for all my wing and sometimes elevator setups.
     
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  9. Xpress

    Xpress GSN Sponsor Tier 1

    Easy peasy, let me know when you need help.
     
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  10. Snoopy1

    Snoopy1 150cc

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    They do look good I have others they were ok but I will have to try these, thanks.
     
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